This week we're talking ghosts! Kristy Sumner and her sister are founders of Soul Sisters Paranormal. Kristy shares some of her experiences in the most haunted places on the east coast. From abandoned prison's to the famous Lizzie Borden house, the Soul Sisters will try and prove to you that spirits remain. Be sure to check them out at https://www.soulsistersparanormal.com/
This week we're talking ghosts! Kristy Sumner and her sister are founders of Soul Sisters Paranormal. Kristy shares some of her experiences in the most haunted places on the east coast. From abandoned prison's to the famous Lizzie Borden house, the Soul Sisters will try and prove to you that spirits remain. Be sure to check them out at https://www.soulsistersparanormal.com/
Hey, welcome back to another, teach two dumb dudes today. Bento and I are talking with Christie Sumner from soul sisters, paranormal her and her sister, Jenny have investigate numerous locations around the house to don't know, bento a good effect. How would you say that? Quite good effect, quite good effect. They investigated the brushy mountain state penitentiary and Petros Tennessee, the Lizzie Borden house and fall river mass as well as numerous investigations up and down the east coast. And it looks like as far as west as Texas. They've been doing this since 2014 and she was kind enough to come on and teach us about how they conduct these investigations and what some of their findings were.
Bento:It goes, goes, goes,
Bobby:dude. Honestly earlier in the fucking episode, I was like, how are we not going to name this episode? I'm going to go stuff
Bento:hey there.
Bobby:Hey Christie, how's it going? Hey Christie, how are you? Great. How are you doing? I'm doing terrific. Awesome. Sorry for the delay there. I was on child duty tonight. My my wife's out out of town this week on business. So you know, it's the dad show this
Bento:week. No worries. I
Bobby:completely understand. Yeah. I mean, well then you must know, right? That you know, dad show is usually just a big old CF going around the people at daycare know like, oh, he must be on his own this week where they call the military food Bard. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. W we're we're making it happen now. So you know what I mean? The kids are still alive. That's what counts? What would they call a life living rice. So we're still good there. So,
Bento:awesome. Thanks for joining us, Christie. Really appreciate it. Where are you at currently? Oh Tennessee. Nice. What island up here in Rhode Island, close to the Lizzie Borden house, which I saw that you investigated all rivers. Yeah. That's a great location. I've written out motorcycles to Rhode islands to beautiful state. Oh, really nice. Yeah, we got a lot of bikers over
Bobby:here is nice. Yeah. Unfortunately there was just the biker stabbing in fall river yesterday. Actually. Matter of fact. Yeah, it's too bad. It's a big way to bring it down, Bobby. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was one of those things. Like it just triggered in my mind. Should we just talk about climate change too? I love fall river so much and it's just such a shame. Like I was really upset about it. Cause I thought that economy.
Bento:I've seen gas prices. If we get started on that, this will be down a whole nother. So back to Christy and you
Bobby:know, you,
Bento:You found it soul sisters, paranormal research company. We always like start everything off. especially in this case, how did you get started into this and What was your drive and your passion to follow something like this? Well, actually this started out as a girl's trip. My sisters and I we've always been fascinated with the paranormal and but, and we also come from a research minded background. And so we always said to ourselves, if we had the opportunity to go on a paranormal investigation or to conduct a paranormal investigation, we would jump at that chance. And we all live. We all live in different parts of the country. And so we routinely get together to have girls weekends. You know, we go to different cities and just, yeah, we meet up several times a year. And so in 2014, we were going to Moundsville West Virginia, which is where the West Virginia state penitentiary is located. And that's reported to be one of the most haunted locations in the country. And so we had a friend of the family that sat on the board of that facility and he said, while you're here, why don't you just take one of those nights and stay in the prison and see what you find? And so we jumped at that chance. We took some night vision, video cameras, a couple of voice recorders and just our enthusiasm and, and we found some. Unexplainable to us, unexplainable things. I'm very compelling things. We had footsteps running at us in the darkness when we knew that nobody was there, we had doors slamming when we knew that nobody was in those cell blocks. And so for us after that experience, it was really something that we wanted to explore further. So we founded soul sisters, paranormal, and, and we just started going around the country really to tell the historical narrative of these locations. And then couple that with any paranormal evidence that we could find. So just to back up, sorry, Bobby, I just wanna ask you a question just to back up. So, I mean, you know, you guys. Let's go on a paranormal discovery. If we ever get the chance you go to this, like, you know, one of the most haunted places in the country. Well, you guys not terrified being in there in the dark, like by yourselves. Yeah. You know, I, I will say there are moments when we're startled and things just, just kind of happened. But like I said, for us we really want to try to figure out what we're communicating with, what is making these these unexplainable occurrences. And really, it was more of a sense of exploration for us. And and, and like I said to, to have the opportunity to go to these historic locations you know, we stayed the night in a penitentiary. We've, you know, we've, we stayed the night in the St. Augustine lighthouse and the Lizzie Borden house. And, you know, to have that very tactile experience with these historical locations, that's really what drives us. If we can find things that in the moment we can't explain, then that's just, you know, a secondary exciting factor to what.
Bobby:That's terrific. So you must have learned so much historically about all of these
Bento:areas. Oh, absolutely. And, and so that's what we really wanted to do. You know, we've, we have a YouTube channel and we've got a, we get a lot of exposure through that, but for us it was never about trying to you know, make a television show or anything like that. Really the, the reason we started the YouTube channel was because my family was, was asking these questions. What was it like, what were you finding? And so they're there all over the world. So it was easier for me to put the first one on YouTube and just send the link. And then it just really kind of ballooned from there. And we started, you know, getting some followers and subscribers and, and it really is. It's a lot different than, than what you see on TV and some other channels, because, you know, to your point, Rob, Focus on the historical aspect first. And we, we want to find out the history of those locations and really facts and figures that people might not know about. Right. You know, a lot of people know the front side of the Lizzie Borden story, but they really don't know what happened after she was found innocent. And so, you know, to be able to tell those stories or other stories that people might not have heard about, that's really what motivates us to do what we do.
Hmm.
Bobby:That's unbelievable. And so with that you must have and by the way, I did go on your YouTube channel. I watched the Paragon presentation from 2020, and I got to say like some of those clips. Unbelievable. And, and, but it was cool even in those short clips, as you were mentioning, the various locations that you've been to. And I know you did mention in that video about some locations being, you know, a part of the underground railroad you know, in the civil war era and things like that. And I, I mean, as I was sitting there watching it, that was one of the things I was loving. I was like, oh, wow. Like, I didn't know that that was in this area and things like that. And so it was really fascinating even just that clip. And so I was, I was sitting there like, all right, I gotta, I gotta check out some more here. But so in some of those videos, I mean, I got to admit, all right, I'm not much of a believer in this kind of stuff. Right. But I have a very open mind and bento will tell you I'm very easily convinced. But still it's one of those things where, as I was watching some of these videos. All right. You still have a little hard time believing it. What's it like when you're actually there. And then all of a sudden you see somebody walking in front of, you know, or something I shadow as it was described, walk in front of those red lights. I mean, it's pretty blatantly obvious. It's something there's one in between you and those red lights.
Bento:Yeah. It is one of those things where, you know, your, your heart kind of speeds up. You kind of go into that fight or flight mode. And you know, it's, it's interesting because obviously what we do most of it is at night in the dark, right? So your other senses are really heightened. Your sense of smell, your sense of hearing your sense of, you know you know, touch is really heightened. And so to be able to see things and hear things and smell things in a different way than just using your, your vision, your daytime vision it's pretty interesting. The, the clip that you were referring to that was a brushy mountain state penitentiary. And you know, in that moment, It was, you know, an oh crap moment for me, because it was literally like, I just saw this and it cut off my entire line of vision from what we were doing in that room. And the interesting thing about that, it was also that anomaly was also captured on a piece of equipment that we had my friend Miranda from goodbye biker exploration. She was with us on that investigation. And so to be able to, for me, visually to see the shadow and her to pick it up on a piece of equipment that we were using, I mean, those are two, those are two very different things, right? My vision, the technology that we're using, but yet we're seeing the same things and it just really gives us builds our case a little bit more that something happened there that we couldn't explain. And so when it's going to be one of my questions for you actually kind of good segue to that, is that why you do it at night? Is it to heighten your other senses? Because you know, these are, are the, these are the obvious things that you can't physically see.
Why
Bento:it's always a nighttime thing. It's not always a nighttime thing and that we do get that a lot. We actually have a lot of experiences during the day. The reason most of our investigations are at night is because they're in quote-unquote commercial locations that have daytime hours. And so the only time we really can investigate is during the night, but we've been on numerous investigations during the day where we're capturing things as well to your point the night does again, add to that, that different sense that different sensation. And it really allows us to really focus on some of our equipment, like for example, a laser grid, you know, you're not gonna be able to see a laser grid during the day, but during the night, when you couple that with a night vision video camera and you see a shadow or something go through it, it's pretty compelling. So a lot of our equipment is really designed to work better at night. And what is some of the equipment that you typically use? Yeah, so let me just, I'll just back up just for a second and kind of tell you how an investigation for us works. So we, what we do first is you know, to Rob's point, we always go in with a very healthy skepticism on these locations and, and what, the first thing that we try to do is we go in on a day tour and we take copious notes on everything, environmental that could affect our investigation, streetlights traffic noise dogs in the neighborhood, kids in the neighborhood, airplane, traffic, train, traffic, anything. We, we look for everything and we try to explain a way what maybe others have found that they consider paranormal. And so we want to say, okay, was that really a train going by? Or was that really an air aircraft going over or something like that. And we control for everything is as best that we can. And so, like I said, we look for all of those facets during the day. So our daytime investigation takes, you know, three to four hours just looking at those things. And so then we'll go in during the night and we'll set up stationary equipment, which is typically night vision, video cameras and voice recorders. Because even if we're not in a room or a hallway in the building, we have eyes and ears. On those rooms and in those hallways. And so we'll set the, all that up and then we'll do what we call EVP sessions, where we will take voice recorders different types of cameras and different types of equipment designed to measure certain things. And we'll go and we'll sit in a room and we start asking questions. So some of the items that we take we'll take flashlights. And because the, the theory is that that spirits can manipulate flashlights and maybe turn them on and off for a response. We have a device called a rim pod, which is a proximity meter. And so the idea is that if you're sitting this thing in a room and there's no energy acting upon it, then theoretically it should stay. In that, that state of non-movement no alarms going off or anything like that. But when something approaches it, we believe that a spirit can use their energy. Okay. Proximity to it and set it off, make the alarms go off, make the lights go off and such. We have K2 meters again, there's a proximity meters as well, designed to measure electromagnetic fields. So we'll use those. We have a device, we have a device called a spirit box. Generally speaking as an am FM radio, that's been modified very quickly sweep through frequencies. So when you've seen that before,
Bobby:yeah, yeah, yeah. That was another one I saw in your video. I saw that in your video too. And that was going to be one, one of my questions is I was like, what's a spirit box.
Bento:Yeah. So, I mean, it's a small radio. It fits in the Palm of my hand. And it it's, it's modified to go through these frequencies at about an eighth of a second. So as you turn it on and it sweeps, it's going through all of these am, am, and FM frequencies at a very rapid rate, the theory is that spirits can use their energy to talk through the white noise. So theoretically, because it's moving so fast through frequencies, you should not hear a phrase. Very rarely will you, you know, you, should you hear a word that's germane to the situation? So when you hear these things, so for example, we are doing an investigation at the mall Barker house in central Florida. And we were using that spirit box. And I said, what happened in this room and the spirit, but through the spirit box, we, we got the phrase, they murdered us, we, the ones dead. So you can hear those words, but at the same time behind it, you hear the frequencies still progressing through. So that's that theoretically, we believe that that was a spirit communicating with us. So that's all the frequency. Exactly. So it, it, it's, it's, it's really using the white noise to, to, to formulate those words. Is that the only way they communicate with you through words and through language through that box? Or have you heard? No, no, we have we have other devices. We have a device called an which is a word bank. It's got thousands of words in it. The theory is that the spirits can use their energy to formulate words from that word bank. And then we've captured audible words literally something speaking to us through the darkness. So we've captured that on numerous occasions. And so and then w just kind of round out our, our equipment. We're, we're very big on what we call trigger items. And these are items that we'll take into a location in order to trigger a response. So, for example, when we went to the Lizzie Borden house, right when we went to the mall Barker house, which is the site of the 1935. Between mom, Fred Barker and they FBI, we took bullets. You know, so those things that, that they're familiar with, that that could elicit a response. So that's really what we do. And that's how we, we conduct our investigation.
Bobby:Really. How much of an effect do you think that has? Like, so for instance Lizzie Borden, you bring an ax. If you left the axle at home, do you think you'd still get a similar response or do you think that plays a
Bento:big role? I think trigger items play a big part. The Lizzie Borden, maybe we would've gotten the same responses and I'll I'll, I'll go back then to a second. But we were okay. So we went to the West Virginia state penitentiary. We've been twice. So the first one was that first investigation. And then we went back about a year later. And we, we tried to communicate with the spirit by the name of red Snyder in life. He was a horrible guy. He was the leader of the area in brotherhood. He was in prison because he murdered his family members. He was in solitary confinement through most of his penitentiary sentence there. And he had two vices in life. The first one was tobacco and the second was watching days of our lives. So every day they would wheel a television set in front of his his front in front of his cell, let him watch days of our lives and then they will the TV away. So we knew that. And so what we decided to do as a trigger item, I downloaded an episode of days of our lives onto of the laptop. And I put it in his cell and I said, read this. This is for you. We're going to leave this play, let you watch it. And we'll be. So we left, we did that. So we let it play about two hours later, we went back to it, everything had turned point. And we said did you see the things that we left you? And we got a mail response of yes. And so then after that, we did what we, again, what we call a K2 session. And that's where we had to devices that we believe spirits committee populate. And it was a very interesting session. And after we wrap that up, I said, thank you for communicating with us. And we captured a male's voice saying, no, thank you. And I believe that that was in response to what we did for him. Right. We acknowledged him because even though the days of our lives. Exactly. So even though he was, you know, a terrible guy in life, we acknowledged what he liked. We, we gave it to him and he thanked us for that. And so to your point, I do believe that trigger items are very interesting. And I do believe they give responses in certain instances. Have you ever felt unwelcome in a place? Are there, are there bad experiences where they don't want you to be there? Yes. And it, it happens you know, every now and then it's pretty rare for us. And so just to kind of follow up on this, so what we're looking for, what my team believes we're looking for is the spirits of those individuals that had a human existence. Right. They lived, they, they experienced life and they died and we're trying to communicate with them in order to tell their stories. And all of the investigations that we've done, we've never run anything, run into anything that we consider demonic or evil. All right. But then I don't believe a demon had a human existence. I believe it's the representation of the good and evil in the world. Right. So we don't go looking for that. And because of that, I don't think we've found that. Now I will say that we've experienced things that are darker and by darker, I mean, those that had a darker existence and we find these in penitentiaries and asylums allot where they, they just weren't great people in life. So they're, they're not going to be great people in death. And so. When we encounter something like that, it is essentially we'll say, okay, we have a voice recorder and a V a night vision video camera. If you want to communicate with us, these, this is how you do it, but we're going to leave this room to you. This is your space. We acknowledge that we're going to back off, and this is how you can communicate with us if you want to do so. And that's really how we handle it. You know, our theory is, is, you know, we're going into essentially the homes of these spirits and you know, we're not going to go in with bravado. We're not going to go in with provoking or threatening in any way. It is really an intent to communicate. And so if we run into something that we feel is darker or doesn't want us to be there, we really just backup.
Bobby:Wow. How often does that happen? I mean, like you said, not too many
Bento:or not many. Like I said, brushy mountain was that's a penitentiary. You know, that was an interesting one. We did have an entity that is said to inhabit an auditorium there. And when you walked in there, it just felt heavier. And because of that, it was one of those where we just said, okay, we're just leaving some equipment in here, if it wants to communicate great. If not, we've got other things that we can do. And there's been a couple like that again, mostly in jails and penitentiaries, but for the most part, I think the way we approach our investigations, we've just had a lot of spirits that want to communicate with us simply to, to acknowledge their existence and to let us know they have a story. So kind of on the personal belief side of it, what do you think a spirit is? And, you know, do, why, why do they seem to be kind of locked
Bobby:to these locations as well? Yeah, I was going to ask that. Yeah, it's always like traumatic, you know what I mean? Or, or somebody just be like, I love my house so much. I'm not leaving
Bento:a little bit of a little bit of both. You know, I'll be upfront and tell you I am a Christian. I come at this from a Christian standpoint. And so for me, I do believe that once you die, a majority of us, we will ascend to what is next. I'm a Christian, I'll call it heaven, but you can call it the next realm, whatever you want to call it. I do believe that most of us ascend, but there are some instances where spirits. Allowed to stay for a variety of reasons. The first one I do believe that they have unfinished business. There's something that needs to be fulfilled or they're waiting on someone else, another spirit or something that has to happen for them to really be allowed to ascend. And then the second one is that they're stuck. They, they know that they're dead, but they can't find a way to get to whatever's next. I think we see this a lot with children that talk about a terrible existence, that they, they know that their dad, but they don't know how to get there to whatever's next. And then the third one, I think is fear of retribution as to what's coming next. And I think that's why we see a lot of spirits in jails and prisons, because they're afraid exactly what they did in life is going to prevent them from having a great existence afterwards. So they just kind of stay where they're comfortable.
Bobby:That's incredible. I think those are all pretty good theories. Well,
Bento:thanks. It's definitely very interesting for sure. I do believe in, in the hell. Is there, you know, cause like if you, a lot of these people who are bad people to penitentiaries and murderers and they kind of get stuck here, do you think that is. It could be. And I do kind of work on that theory as well. You know, again, my, my Christian belief is it obviously taught that there is a hell. But my mental belief in the walk that I have, it just seems like a very harsh punishment. So it's hard for me to wrap my mind around the concept of a hill. And so I, I, to your point, I do believe that some of them may be experiencing that now because they can't move on to a higher realm or a higher
Bobby:existence, like this becomes their hell.
Bento:Exactly. And just one more question on that kind of belief structure, sorry, I don't want to like hop on that too much, but I find it very fascinating. Is this is this theory of yours and the spirits in general is this widely accepted. Among Christians. Cause it seems like something that it wouldn't be so many different denominations too. So is, it really depends on who you talk to and their belief structure, you know, for me if you do read the Bible, it it's, it's peppered with, with, you know, stories about ghosts, right. And they have to, they have to draw from some type of an experience. Right. It's something that they've had to experience. I mean, even when they they they, when Christ was resurrected, they said, oh, are you a ghost? Right? Because, so they have to have some type of frame of reference at that point. So for me, it, it is one of those things that it, it really kind of strengthens my Christian Christian beliefs. Others, they have a very strict definition of, you know, you're not to communicate with the dead. I'm sure if you do that, that's more like a kind of, almost like a satanic worship
Bobby:type thing. Yeah, exactly.
Bento:I had a hypnotist on just a hypnotherapist and he's from Alabama and he even said down there, there are people who just like Sean, what he does, you know, and, and, and, you know, again, that, that is absolutely fine. We've, we've never gone into this with a mindset of trying to get somebody to believe what we believe. That's not what our purpose is, you know, for us, it really is about telling that historical story. And then. In this moment in this night, controlling for every environmental factor that we can control for, these are the things that were unexplainable to us. I, a male voice, I E a shadow figure or a door slamming in front of us. I can't explain that,
Bobby:you know, or slamming right in front of you. That's exactly.
Bento:Yeah. Yeah. Well, what we want, we're trying to walk through it. We were beside it. So we've had that happen and, you know, those are things that are unexplainable to me. Now, if somebody wants to come back and say, well, maybe it was this, then let's, let's have that dialogue want to have that dialogue, because I don't want to put out anything that I'm calling unexplainable that can be explained and yeah. Try to sell anybody, anything you just say, here's my
Bobby:data. Here's the research and do what they tell you. Well, here's what we do.
Bento:And, and, and that's to your point, you know, that, that we do come at this, with that research mindset you know, trying to really debunk things first or controlling for those environmental factors, like I said, and then what's left is unexplainable to us.
Bobby:Hmm. So what's the the most scared you've ever been in one of these investigations, I'd be scared of most of this. And I was thinking, that's why I was asking, because I'm outta here, honestly.
Bento:I mean, I don't really believe in this stuff either. I try to have an open mind about things, but I'm just, I come at things from a very logical perspective and that, you know, for me, it's a blessing and a curse, but I mean, if I were to go to one of these places, even not believing it, I would still be terrified just because my brain, you know, your brain is wired. Yeah. This is a scary situation.
Bobby:No matter how many times it's not real, I still be like, yeah, I'll be like,
Bento:Scooby-Doo out of there. You
Bobby:know what I mean?
Bento:Well, you know, like I will, there, there's some instances where it's been kind of interesting. I I'd say probably the most active location that we've been to would be the old Gillcrest county jail and Trenton, Florida. This jail was built in 1928. It was an operation as a jail until 1968 and it's a very small county jail. It's had four cells on the bottom and five cells up on the top and then a small jailers cottage connected via a doorway that was set behind the jail after it closed in 1968, it set vacant. So it became really a Haven for drug activity. There was two drug dealers that were murdered there yeah. In the late 1990s. So when, when we investigated it was just myself and my friend Miranda from goes by her explorations. She's another paranormal investigator that I met. Through this. And so we decided to collaborate on this one. And again, she and I were the only two people in the building. And so when we met the owner and we asked if we can investigate, she said, you know, that's fine. But she said, do you guys carry, are you licensed to carry handguns? And we're like, yes, we both carry. And she said, I highly recommend you keep your, keep your guns on you at all times during the night, because that's the area that this jail is in. Right. And so So we started our investigation and we were there for about an hour, hour and a half, and we weren't really feeling anything. None of our equipment was really picking up on anything. So Miranda said, I wonder if they think we're law enforcement because we have our guns on us. And so I said, well, let's try taking them off. And so I took my gun off and I put it on the cut that was in the cell that we were in and Miranda took hers off. And as she's putting it down, she said, I'm putting this down nice and slowly. And directly behind us, a guy said, good. We both heard it. There was nobody else in the building that our voice recorded captured it. And after that, I mean, the night was on and we captured shadow figures. We saw the shadow figures in the moment we captured them on camera. We heard audible voices in the moment we capture them on, on audio recorders. Every piece of equipment that we had was validating every other piece of equipment. We were getting names that were germane to the location and to the events that happened there. It was absolutely one of the most active places that I've been. And so yeah, there were.
Bobby:Where are you more excited or were you like, holy shit,
Bento:listen, there was a couple of holy shit moments. I'll tell ya. We investigated this again. It's in Florida. We investigated in July. And so it was stifling hot. And so the, the way the, the, the jail is set up, it's got one main doorway on the bottom. And when you look through the doorway, you see the whole. All the way back. Right. And so we had a night vision, video camera in a laser grid pointing down that hallway. So Miranda and I stepped back because it was so hot. We had stepped out to get some air. And so we're just standing there talking. And as I looked down the hallway, this shadow figure goes from right to left and I'm like, holy shit, did you just see that? And Miranda's like, yes. And I yelled down the hall. I said, well, we saw you. Why don't you go back again from the left to the right? Why don't you walk through it again in the dead? So the shadow figure walked back again. And we actually captured that on camera. So we, you see the shadow going from the right and to the left. And then back again from the left
Bobby:of the right. I think I saw that clip as well. Cause it was so the laser. Was awesome. You know, so the laser grid on the camera, so the, the vision, it's just like, it looks like just an array of dots. And as the figure comes across, you can see the lights flickering on all the dots. And it really was something like, there was definitely something there. I don't know what, but it was crazy. Yeah. That must be so cool though. Right. And then that's kind of. The debate between being excited. Right. And being terrified, like able to capture something like that must be pretty
Bento:cool. Yeah. And, and like I said, there, there are definitely moments when you're sitting there and you're like, oh, what was that? What just happened? We were at the grand old lady hotel, which is in Ballston, North Carolina. And this was a hotel that was built in 1904 as part of the railroad system. And it was. Amazing hotel. It's three stories, hardwood, floors, grand sweeping staircases, about a hundred guest rooms, a ballroom it's just a beautiful location. It sits on the top of this mountain has some property to it. And so when we investigated, there were the only people in the building. So it was myself, my twin sister, Jenny, and again, Miranda from Gail's biker. So the three of us were there for the entire weekend. And so we had the entire building and property to ourselves. And so Miranda conducted an investigation on Friday night and had some amazing things happen. And then sit. And then Jenny and I investigated on Saturday night and had some amazing things happen. And all of us were in the hotel for the night. So on Saturday night we decided that we were going to sleep in one of the suites on the third floor that ran adjacent to the most haunted hallway in the buildings. And so so the, the way the suite is set up, it's got a little interior room that is connected to the doorway that goes into the hall. And then, then there's an outer room that had the, that had queen beds where Jenny and I slept, but there's no door to the hallway there. You've got to go through the room that Miranda was sleeping in to get out into the hall. So we, we set up a night vision, video camera on the outside of the door, in the hallway and one inside of the room. So the point of view from that camera, you see Miranda sleeping and you see the door. So we all we'd gone to bed. It was about three in the morning. We'd gone to bed and we set our good nights. And about 15 minutes later, a man's voice outside the door and said, please don't go. And Miranda said, did y'all hear that? And I said, yes. And she goes, what did that sound like? And I said, there's a man outside her door. She said, yeah, that's what I thought too. And so that was one moment where your hearing gets extremely acute. You're laying there. What's going to happen next? Is it going to come through the door? What are we going to see? What are we gonna hear sleep after that? I, at that point we were so exhausted. You just kind of fall into it. But that was amazing location. I mean, there, there was one point during the night where we had a coffee pot turn on when we asked it to there's nobody else in the building. It was about two in the morning. We had a table overturn, which was pretty interesting to go over. Yeah. So that was you guys. No, I don't think it was mad. We didn't take it as being mad. We took it as, because we had just asked if you're here let us know, give us, let us show, show us something to let us know that it was so this table just got flipped over. It was pretty wild. So this is some of the things. Yeah. So I'd say that that voice and the grand old lady hotel was probably one of the moments where you're laying there and it's like, okay, That was a completely audible you know, everything that was recording captured it what's going to happen next. So that was probably one of the, oh, oh crap moments. Here we go.
Bobby:I will say watching that video it was tough from my end, obviously, like I was listening through, through my cell phone right now, headphones or anything like that. But it was tough to discern the audio even, you know, you guys would play it back again, which was really well done in the video really helpful. But even that it was hard to like make out the words when you're actually there. Like, you know, not you know, recording devices. How audible is it like, is it super definitive or is it still kind of like, oh wait, wait, did you hear that? Like, are you sure that was something like, or is it like, Nope, that's a dude. I know exactly
Bento:what he said. Well, that one was absolutely. I mean, the, the, one of the grand old lady, I mean, we knew right away absolutely. That there was, there was some audible voice right behind that door or standing in the hallway. And again, because we had that, that camera on the outside, we could see that there was nothing there. Right. There's no physical things standing there. That was extremely audible. We we've captured, there's been numerous times where we've been at a location and you can hear it in the moment. You're not exactly sure what it says because it can happen at any time. For example, we were at the Lizzie Borden house and there were five of us on this investigation, all female. And we were in the third floor room where Bridgette Sullivan, the maid stayed. And so we're all inside this room and the door is shut. And so we had some devices on the floor and Miranda bends down to put another one down and she said, I'm going to put this K2 down so you can play with it in a man outside the doors said, ignore them. Now we all heard the voice, but we all didn't know what it said. It wasn't until we went back and listened to the audio that we actually. Kind of discern what it said exactly. But there are some instances where we don't hear it in the moment. So for example, stay at the Lizzie Borden house. We, every time we go on an investigation, the very first thing that we do, as soon as we cross the threshold is we've got voice recorders going because you never know when something is going to happen. Right. So we had set up a voice recorder in the parlor where Andrew Borden's body was found, it was sitting on the mantle. And so Jenny and Carter. We're just sitting there talking about the day we hadn't even started our investigation. Some of us were still getting our suitcases outside. Right. So Jay and Carra were sitting in that parlor and they were just talking. And they started going down the conversation of the Valesca Axe murder house, which we had investigated prior and the Lizzie Borden house. And so they're just talking about the differences. And Cora says either way being asked to death would be a horrible way to die. And after she said that the voice recorder captured a man's voice saying it was now they did not hear that in the moment. And so we both listening to the audio, we heard it. So those are, those are the types of things that we get most often they're disembodied voices that we don't hear. But we captured them on audio.
Bobby:Wow. That's incredible. And when you're actually looking at like the audio files of these things, can you actually see like the, the audio track increased with.
Bento:Well for us when we review our audio and video files, we do it. What I call in the raw. I don't put anything through an audio software. I don't put anything through a video software. I literally take those voice recorders, put my earphones in and hit play. The reason I do that is becomes because some voices are whispers and I found over the first two investigations, we did use an audio software. And when I was just going back and listening, I was like, why didn't the software pick that up? You know, you hear whisper of hay or something that doesn't, that doesn't register as a spike on the wave. And so after that I just decided I don't rely on audio software. What we do is, like I said, we all take a voice recorder. We'll listen to it. So if we've got, you know, 10 voice recorders running for 10 hours, we're listening to a hundred hours of audio. So what we do is we'll listen to it. And if we hear something that we can't explain. We'll cut it and send that clip to everybody else on the team. And we won't say what we hear. So we'll just say, do you hear anything in this clip? And if so, what? And, but don't respond to the team, respond to the person sending it because it's, to your point earlier, Rob, you know, there's some instances where we hear something, but I may hear waterfall and Jenny hears watermelon. Right. And so we we'd kind of decide as a consensus as a group. What we're going to portray it as right. It's waterfall. As soon as you say what you think it is, that person already hears that automatically. Yeah. Right? Exactly. So that's why in the videos, you'll see what, the way I phrase it is we believe it says this. We believe it says this. And so a lot of times it is better to listen to it with headphones. Just because it there's some that are whispers. And you can just discern them better with
Bobby:headphones. Yeah. I mean, there, there were certainly somewhere where I agree, like we're listening on the iPhone, it wasn't good enough, but there were some where I was like, holy smokes. That clear, there was a couple of them where I, and you know, the commentary was, and there's not a single man in this building, but it was clear as day and so it was, it was really cool to watch that for sure.
Bento:How often do you do. We try to do at least four what I call larger scale investigations a year. And those, those, those are places that are like a brushy mountain, north St. Augustine lighthouse. The problem is, is, as I said before, we all live in different parts of the country. So traveling logistics gets a little cause we're all professionals in our real careers. So, so getting that so about four to five and then we'll do one-offs where either Jenny and algo or, you know, Jenny, Michelle, and I will just take a subset of the team. So, and those can be at any. So in places like the Lizzie Borden house and you know, that hotel, you mentioned North Carolina, those places is the hotel in north county is still open to the public. Normally it is. Yeah. So we actually booked it during the off season. They haven't had, we'll just get the whole place to yourself. That's amazing. It was the same with the Lizzie Borden house. You had to place yourself when you go to those places as well. Yeah. Anywhere we go, we make sure that we have that we're the only group there. Right. It's, it's essentially a private for us. So we'll either, and there are numerous, numerous times where we will be asked to come in. But other times I'll, I'll just call and say, you know, we'd like to investigate and we set up a date and go,
Bobby:wow, have you ever done anything in.
Bento:No, the, the closest would be fall rivers,
Bobby:Massachusetts. Yeah. I always ask about Rhode Island for this kind of stuff because of the the house in Harris hill, the conjuring house. I know, I know that that's a, that's a pretty big one and they just you know, they just, somebody bought it and then. Turns it into like a amusement attraction kind of thing. But then quickly they closed it. And now it's kinda just left again. I think, I think they closed it. Somebody trying to
Bento:buy it again. Yeah. It's back up for sale. You know, it's interesting and kind of what I've been studying here in the last couple of about the last year is paranormal tourism and historic preservation. And so that's one of the offshoots is, is essentially paranormal real estate. Th the conjuring house, I believe it's total value is about $400,000. And yet it's, there's the asking price is 1.5 million, same thing with the Lizzie Borden house. Right. Yeah, exactly. But you know, so that was an interesting case study. So there's a lot of things you know, that are offshoots of paranormal investigations that people don't really think about. But you know, for us, like I said, just getting into these locations and being able to explore them and tell the history behind them is, you know, really just a, it's a, it's a fascinating industry to
Bobby:be involved in. Yeah. I can only imagine. I mean, rely on, we have, we have a few good stories here from mercy brown to the conjuring house, you know, there's a, there's a few good ones here in Rhode Island. Y'all said y'all have to check those out for sure. Yeah, absolutely. We need, we need, we need some answers around here.
Bento:Well, when I do get to Rhode Island, you guys are more than welcome
Bobby:to join us. Oh my God. That would be tremendous. We gotta move. We gotta make a believer out of bento. So there you go.
Bento:Awesome. Well this has been very informative, Christie. I can't say I'm a believer now, but I got to, I mean, I can't re I can't review a lot of things that you said, or the things that I watched in that video. So, you know, until then, I mean you gotta think maybe there's something, I don't know. I guess I'm open-minded to it. It's, it's you know, some of the stuff I can say, oh, you know, it might be a sound number, but there are some things in there that are pretty. Yeah, pretty
Bobby:substantial evidence. Well, like Chris said, right. It's unexplainable. It's definitely unexplainable. What it comes down to is it's not, you know, and it's like the whole theory that if you can't disprove something exists, then must yeah.
Bento:Yeah, yeah. And you know, and we also go with the fact that why were we made up of energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed. And so we have to go somewhere, something happens So you know, to your point, it is one of those things that for us in the moment we, we have no explanation for and, and, you know it's, it is interesting because we all, we are an all female team. And so to capture a child's voice or capture a man's voice in some of these locations you know, that's very easy for me to say, I can't explain this. Right. And the history part is the best part too, because whether, whether or not you believe it or not, I mean, you get to learn something and I'm always down with history.
Bobby:So there's still.
Bento:Yeah. I mean, even like the Losie board and stuff, like, you know, we live close to it and I still don't know the full story to that. So this alone prompts me to go see, you know, what happened after she was proven innocent and kind of the life that she led. So so is there anything that you wanna, you wanna plug on here and maybe tell us what you got going on,
Bobby:a YouTube page. What's next? What's next for
Bento:soul sister? Well actually what we've done is I've actually formed a company with a Miranda from ghosts biker, and we actually operate the historic Scott county jail in Huntsville, Tennessee. And that is a museum as well as a paranormal research center. So we opened that late last year. So that's. Foremost on my list of things to do right now. So we have a lot of investigators that go and communicate with the spirits of that jail. But as soul sisters, we have an investigation in West Virginia next month. So we're looking forward to that. Jenny and I just investigated the USS North Carolina and Wilmington North Carolina. We did that about two weeks ago. So that's, that's the next video that I'll be putting out. We are going to the hospital on, it's called the hospital on college hill. The name escape, the, the place escapes me, the the town that it's in, but it's the, the hospital in college hill and it's a new, newer location it opened last year. And but it's one of those that, that is pretty pretty you know, interesting with regard to paranormal activity. So we go into that one and we've got several pair cons and conferences that we'll be speaking at and yeah, just kind of staying busy with all of it. Yeah. Good stuff. Plus your professional career on top of all that busy woman. Yeah. But but if, if anybody wants to, to look at our videos at all, it's it's under soul sisters, paranormal we're on YouTube. We're also very active on Facebook under soul sisters, paranormal, and our website is www dot soul sisters. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much, Christie. This
Bobby:has been a lot of fun coming on teaching to dumb dudes about ghosts. This is
Bento:y'all have a great evening. Awesome Christie. Thank you. Thanks.
Bobby:How are you? Good. How are you? Good, good, good, good. Just put the kid down, you know, of course, look, I tried to put him down a little early and get down here. I get all set up beforehand. Right. And then he you know, I put them down and he gets back up and he runs to the bathroom, takes a big old shit. I was like, well, at least he went to the toilet, but it definitely just fucked. My timing.
Bento:Shit happens.
Bobby:Oh yeah.